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PostPosted: Thu Feb 03, 2005 3:56 pm    Post subject: "Cut" or "Rated Versions"... Reply with quote

...I'm asking your opinion on this matter...

If DVD distributors/manufacturers/studios know that their target market for a particular DVD release is going to be comprised chiefly of horror fans, what is the point in releasing a "cut" or "rated" version of a film when the "uncut" or "unrated" version is sharing a wide release as well?
Is there really a market for "cut" horror films? If so, what are these consumers thinking???


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 03, 2005 4:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

well looking at this from a producers viewpoint, i'll have to say yeah, of course theres a market for cut and edited horror films...Bottom line wether anyone wants to fess up to it, is we'd all love to release anything worldwide- mainstreem....once you get your foot in the door the phone starts ringing...get one film out for the mpaa, then ya have an open gate to do what ya wish...even though its not a horror film, take napoleon dynamite...that movie would have never made it , if not for his contribution of King of the Hill...which does have it's adult situations....

granted i personally like the uncut pure versions...but dont have a problem with cut versions on some films as well..
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2005 8:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I see your point...from a "marketing" perspective, there is precedent for cut/edited versions of films. I suppose that some of the supposed "target audience" doesn't know any better. Plus, if a film can only be released in its "R" rated form (for example), then perhaps that would lead the way for increased demand for and eventual release of an "unrated" version of the same film.
Case in point..."Saw" is only available in its "R" form in the States right now...I know damned well there is an "unrated" version (which I'd love to see, by the way)...now, if the "R" version sells well enough (and all signs so far point to that happening), then Lion's Gate will eventually release a "special edition" that includes said "unrated" version of "Saw".

So, at least from that viewpoint, I understand. Still, I want to live in a world free of censorship...where personal accountability and personal decisions dictate what people decide for themselves is "suitable". If ya' don't like it, then don't watch it, ya' know?

What I'm talking about here is the censorship issue...not the marketing issue. Good points though, Tre'...

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 6:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually, it IS a issue of marketing rather than censorship when it comes to releasing rated versions of horror films on dvd. Anytime a rated version exists, it is usually because the studio doesn't have the unrated version ready for release or an unrated version does not exist (like HOUSE OF 1000 CORPSES). SAW was a good example of the former...Lions Gate didn't have clearances on the uncut version and James Wan wanted to color time the entire uncut version so LG released the theatrical cut it already had.

But at the same time, there is an issue of censorship before the film even hits theaters. The film industry has become more self aware of making movies that will be submitted for MPAA rating. While the MPAA does not censor a movie, studios are sometimes forced to edit a film for an 'R' because of budget constraints not allowing the director to reshoot a scene...or many scenes.

Personally, I think this whole issue could have been avoided if the major film studios embraced and championed the NC-17 rating in 1990. It would have been a watershed event for horror directors and fans; allowing directors more freedom showing extreme gore and fans the ability to see these films on the silver screen. NC-17 could've been to horror what X is to porn.

Just a thought...
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 8:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

severedsurvival wrote:

Personally, I think this whole issue could have been avoided if the major film studios embraced and championed the NC-17 rating in 1990. It would have been a watershed event for horror directors and fans; allowing directors more freedom showing extreme gore and fans the ability to see these films on the silver screen. NC-17 could've been to horror what X is to porn.


I generally agree with that sentiment. NC-17 could've been a real blessing to the industry. Instead, it ended up being a placeholder for quasi-softcore-porn like Showgirls and more sexually explicit "arthouse" films like Henry and June. Now, it's almost a threat that is held over the studios' head. It's like, "OK, make the necessary cuts, or we'll slap your film with an 'NC-17' rating." That's perceived as a threat because many theatre chains (read as "those who have the money and power") won't carry NC-17 films. Therefore, if a film has an NC-17 rating, it's almost assuredly doomed to a tiny distribution Stateside. Tiny Distribution = much less money to be made by all concerned. Therefore, to maximize return on investment, studios strive wherever they can to avoid NC-17 like the plague...much like "X" in the 1970's and 1980's.

If, from the beginning, NC-17 hadn't been pigeonholed as being the "softcore porn" rating, and a few distributors of "hardcore horror films" had tried to take advantage of the new rating to hype the "uncut" nature of their films, we might have had a very different situation than we do today. Instead, we get something called "Hard R"...a pretty much meaningless distinction. Films like Hostel and perhaps to a lesser extent the Hills Have Eyes remake ostensibly fall into this category, but when it comes down to it, those films don't really have that much more "gore" than their "soft R" counterparts. No, it's a question of tone. How is the violence presented? How depressing or oppressive is the violence? That's the real key.

If you recall, there's a popular story about how Henry: Portrait of a Serial Killer was originally slapped with an "X" rating, not because it's particularly gory (because it isn't...not really), but because of its "general tone". Now, I'm not too sure how true those stories really are (I imagine it's at least mostly true), but that was a situation where the NC-17 rating would've been a perfect fit. More recently, with the advent of home video (then followed by the juggernaut that is the DVD industry), the lion's share of the theatrical market for "hard horror" has been nearly eliminated. Instead, we're battered senseless by easily-marketable PG-13 releases. That's because, of course, the vast majority of the movie-going audience is comprised of teenagers with loads of expendable cash. Hell, from a marketing perspective, it's sheer genius.

We're just going to have to face the fact that, since the grindhouse theatres all closed their doors in the late '70's and early '80's, there's just not enough demand for hardcore horror on the theatrical level. We should count ourselves lucky to have DVD, I suppose.

Man, would I fucking love to see something as balls-to-the-wall as Re-Animator (in all its uncut glory, of course) hit theatres and actually be a success! It ain't gonna happen, though...

*sigh*
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 3:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

well i have worked in blockbuster, a wopping 2 weeks, but the r-rated versions are mostly for bussinesses like blockbuster, that refuse to sell/rent out anything that has ratting above a R-ratting. cause blockbuster, is not aimmed at hardcore movie goers, but more or less family movie goers. i personally dont like that bussinesses do this, but i just take my bussiness somewhere else.
also something ive been noticing is that some companys do it for the double dip, example saw came out on dvd, with a R rating, but a year later saw goes back onto the market, with a unrated version. so in that sence it is quite a smart bussiness move.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 8:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Man, Ballbuster (as I have referred to them for years) Video has been a thorn in my side since they opened their doors. Back in the heyday of VHS home video, they slowly (but very surely) put each and every one of my beloved "mom 'n' pop" hole-in-the-wall video shops out of business. You know...the little corner video shops that helped me get my uncut horror "fix" back when it was much more difficult to do so.

Hey, money's money, I suppose...we won't hold your choice of employment against you, unas. Well, maybe a little.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 7:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Hey, money's money, I suppose...we won't hold your choice of employment against you, unas. Well, maybe a little.
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i dont work thier anymore, it was about 9 months ago i tried to do 2 job thing. didnt work out. i never went back.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 6:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Im old enough to remember when u could walk into the local video shop & choose between the cut or uncut\strong versions.

Nowadays when i do buy DVD's i always go for unrated versions (thankfully the BBFC are now passin a lot more films uncut for DVD)

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